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Ph.D., Energy Psychology, An Interview - Page 5
By Jay Kantor, Ph.D. , Ridgewood, NJ, EFTNJ.Com,
which I call Energy Diagnostic and
Treatment Methods (EDxTM). The
distinction in my system is that I don't assume that once I find a
disruption in the heart meridian, for example, that I would always
treat the same point. In
acupuncture they don't always use the same point.
What I started finding when I looked further was that that
point wasn't always the point that was needed, and I'd have to
find some other point and that would fix it where the other
didn't. So I've
extended my system to look at points on the whole meridian.
Another aspect of energy psychology has to do with ways of
treating people when they have core conflicts about wanting to be
healed. Diamond came
up with an idea called "Reversal of the Body Morality"
which is basically when you respond to something that is bad for
you as if it were good for you.
Callahan took that further and he developed the term
"Psychological Reversal" and explored it and defined
ways to treat it as a meridian problem also.
JK: What do we mean by "Psychological
Fred Gallo: It's a block to treatment
example, someone who has a phobia might say, "I really want
to get over this phobia. I
really have to get over it. I'm
having lots of trouble with this."
If a person has a psychological reversal for getting over
that phobia, what it means is that at an unconscious level, which
is at an energetic level too, there is a block -- a configuration
that's very difficult to get to.
What it does is to prevent any therapeutic efforts from
JK: Like a self-sabotage?
Fred Gallo: Yes.
It's almost like a fail-safe system for the phobia, so that
it can't be overridden. So
you have to find this block, if it's there, and then there are
ways to disengage it. That's
a neat thing that Callahan looked at.
When whatever I'm doing is not working with a client, I
check for a psychological reversal.
It's a very simple process to check for a reversal.
I have a person say, "I want to get over this
problem" and I check their muscle.
It should stay strong, as sort of a "Yes."
There are actually variety of psychological reasons why
therapy may not work. For
example, I was working with a man and when we tested whether he
wanted to get over his problem, his muscle stayed strong, even
though the therapy wasn't working.
I thought how could this be?
Then the client said to me, "I don't know.
Maybe I don't feel I deserve to get over this
problem." So I
had him say, "I deserve to get over this problem" and
his muscle went weak. When
he said, "I don't deserve to get over this problem," his
muscle stayed strong. Then
I explored how we could fix that.
We fixed that by having him tap under his bottom lip, while
he said to himself, "I deeply accept myself even though I
don't deserve to get over this problem."
After that, the therapy I did with him worked.
That made me start thinking that there might be all kinds
of permutations of these reversals, and I started exploring that.
I found one for safety, one for identity -- like, if I get
over this problem, I'll lose an important part of my identity.
Sometimes that kind of reversal is going on.
JK: Please talk about some more cases
you've worked with.
Fred Gallo: I'd like to talk about a person I worked
with during the last week. This
case shows the spiritual dimension of this method.
This woman came to see me because of feeling distressed
about an altercation she had with an uncle during a church
meeting. She went away
from that very upset, and then recalled all these other things in
their relationship over the years.
It was just bothering
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