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Ph.D., Energy Psychology, An Interview - Page 2
By Jay Kantor, Ph.D. , Ridgewood, NJ, EFTNJ.Com,
Jay Kantor (JK): How did you get involved
in this new field of energy psychology?
Fred Gallo (FG): I had been working
psychotherapeutically with people, using approaches such as
Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP), cognitive therapy, and EMDR --
Eye Movement Desensitization And Reprocessing.
I was getting results for people, but there were some
people that just didn't seem to get movement.
I was especially concerned about people with traumas.
It was at that time that I came across an article by Rodger
Callahan (the founder of Thought Field Therapy, the first
well-known system of energy psychology) where he talked about
treating addictions by having people tap under their eye or under
their arm. I thought
that it was absurd.
I put the article aside and I didn't think about it any
more, until I was in a session with a lady who had an addiction to
pain medications. I
was trying a procedure called "Rational-Emotive
Imagery." It's a
cognitive procedure in which you teach the person to tell
themselves something different about their urge, which makes the
urge go away. Actually,
it can make the urge go down but it doesn't seem to cure the urge.
You learn that you're telling yourself something about the
urge, and the belief is that it's what you're telling yourself
that makes the urge so powerful.
The idea in cognitive therapy is that if you can change
what you're telling yourself, you can change how you feel.
I was trying this with her, and we could get the urge down
but it came right back. We
weren't really getting anywhere.
Then I remembered the article I'd read, and I asked her if
she'd like to try something. I
said, "Here's what you do. It's really odd, you tap under
your eye with your fingers. You
just poke yourself." Under
your eye there's a bony orbit and you just tap on the bony orbit,
or you reach under the arm about 6 inches and slap on the side.
She was game, so I took her through this, going back and
forth between those points.
Lo and behold, her urge comes from a self-rating of a 10
down to a 4. The
interesting thing was that, even though it got down to a 4,
something we had also made happen with the Rational-Emotive
Imagery, this time she couldn't get the urge back up again.
No matter how much she tried, it stayed down at a 4.
I couldn't get it below a 4 either but I figured that there
must be something to this, even though I didn't know exactly what
it was. I searched out
Callahan and talked to him and started looking at his work.
I have people come to me in who have had some terrible
traumas. I remember a
particular lady who was raped when she was 13 years old, and I
never seemed to be able to help her with that.
During therapy, we could try to help her to not think about
it. It seemed to be
the root of a lot of her problems.
She would become suicidal and abuse alcohol and drugs.
I would try to help her think about it differently.
That approach is called "Cognitive Therapy."
In cognitive therapy, I would try to have her see the event
in the past and let it go. It
didn't seem like she could let it go, no matter how much I told
It reminds me of a Monty Python movie in which a woman had
an obsession about cutting paper, and she's seeing this
psychoanalyst, and he says, "Don't cut paper," like
that's supposed to cure her.
Anyway, this client, who had previously stopped coming for
therapy, came back to see me because she was having some problems
with her mother. I
decided to try the tapping with her and I asked her to think about
the thing she was upset about with her mother.
I took her through the process of tapping on different
places on her body, like under her eye, under her arm, and under
her collar bone.
After a few
moments of doing this, we're talking about maybe two minutes, it
didn't bother her anymore. She
said, "Oh, well, my mother... she's always been like that.
It's no big deal."
She went from one moment of upsetness to
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